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The Business
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What is this site about?
From time to time, I get
questions, comments, and criticism about my website. Most of it is
very encouraging, supportive, and inspiring. People like what I do
here, or they wouldn't be keeping me in orders, and I am very
thankful and honored by their time and interest.
Not all comments are positive. Some of the
rude commentary falls to
the level of name-calling. Mostly, I just delete or ignore this type
of input, but sometimes I'll post the funnier ones on a
special
page. Please enjoy it for yourself.
Some people get downright
confused as to what this site is about. This site is about my work,
plain and simple. My name is Jay Fisher, the site is named "jayfisher.com"
and the site is about my career and life interest making knives
professionally.
If you could post your life's work on one
website, how would that look? These days, a curriculum vitae is commonplace for
all modern artists, and this is mine. In the future, most professional's life
work will be able to be seen, cataloged, and verified on the internet. Many
professional jobs today require a related web site for details of that
professional's work, his achievements, history, education, and even his attitude
and beliefs. It simply is the new medium of information and exchange, so why
wouldn't any modern professional use it?
The site is about selling my knives, too. You'll see
that I don't have many knives available at any given time, because
when I post them for sale, they rarely last more than a few days
before being purchased. Why? Because I do my best to make very fine
knives and offer a great product for a comparative price. Since (at
the time of this writing) the site gets over 47,000 hits a day, and
80% of the visitors add it to their "favorites" list in their
browsers, they keep a pretty good eye on what is new. I derive all
my income off this website and its referrals. As a professional,
this IS my full time job.
The site is not just about
selling knives though. I've tried to share some of what I know and
think about knives, craftsmanship, art, and other related
information. That's why I have over 3000 pictures and 100 pages of
information here. If a person comes to the site and they stay a
while, it's because they've found something useful or interesting.
I'm constantly adding to the site, updating the pictures and
information, clarifying and editing, and writing the words,
pictures, and ideas.
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Testimonial:
Jay,
I am overwhelmed with your creativity and the knowledge
imparted on your incredibly user friendly website. Thank you!
You are a true artisan and justifiably proud of your creations!
J. A.
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This Internet Web Site and
Layout
Testimonial
"Your site is the best of its
kind on the web. Just when I thought I was developing some skill at
engraving, leatherwork and knife making, I saw your stuff. You're
quite an artisan with brilliant creativity.
Thanks for putting you work in public view."
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Thanks for coming here!
It is my desire to present you with a positive
internet experience on my site. You are in my domain, and I appreciate it.
Your time, like mine is valuable, and I'm
honored that you've decided to invest your time learning about my life's work.
Please bookmark this site as one of your favorites, and come back often, as this
site is constantly updated.
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Jay,
Some feedback on your site. I love your “Feature of the Day.” Great
idea. I’ve been coming back regularly just to see that. And then I
always check out the knives for sale at the same time. I’m sure others
do the same.
“The Chase”…it is
absolutely mind blowing. The display! …and the knife itself! You always
blow me away --C.K. |
Most people don't have any trouble negotiating
this site, but occasionally I get a comment about the layout. Currently, I'm not
using frames. Frames are the arrangement that allows you to have a permanent
list of links usually on the left side of the page. Supposedly, this allows a
faster hop to the page of interest. But it does cost, too. First, it costs
screen width. Frames force the rest of the screen to be narrowed,
which, in my opinion, makes a narrow, list-like page, accompanied with a narrow,
list like frame. It is proven that people scan these type of
layouts rather quickly, and I don't want you to quickly scan, I want you to take
your time. Also, because of the amount of pages (over 100), frame use would make
a long, scrolling list by itself, constantly begging your attention away from
the page. I don't want you to be distracted. Thirdly, why be like everybody else
on the net? The interesting thing about the internet is that there is no
standard format, no requirement that all pages look alike.
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Dear Jay,
I was reviewing your website after pulling
my hair out reviewing “factory” sites and web forums, and it was with
great relief that I read your information on your weapons, and knives
generally.
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Another consideration is that most internet
business websites are catalog-based. When you go to these sites, you are looking
for a specific product, the info, price, and a picture of that specific product.
This is NOT that kind of site. This site is a reference, contact, and
descriptive illustration and detailing of the life's work of an artist,
craftsman, and writer. I've designed the site to be interesting, informative,
illustrative, coherent, thoughtful, and entertaining. It is not a manufacturer's
catalog. Take your time, look around; the highlights are at the top of every
page, and when you get done with the page, a large group of links is at the
bottom. If you ever get lost, go to the
"Table of Contents" page
linked
at the bottom of every page with
every single link to every single page on this web site.
Testimonial
Mr. Fisher:
I'm glad I happened upon your website. Your work is
impressive, and I appreciate the wealth of info you have placed
on your site. I have never owned a custom made knife, but I
recently had the pleasure of handling one of yours in North
Carolina, where I decided to someday purchase a nice hunter from
you when funds allow. That experience has also led me to decide
to never buy another factory made knife, and to learn the art
of knife making myself. With your
permission, I hope it's OK if use your site as a source of
learning and inspiration.
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Mostly, people come to this site via a search
engine. I keep detailed stats on my traffic, so I know how, when, and from what
area they are coming. I know what page they go to first, how long they stay,
when they leave, and how many visits they have. They might come in because they
entered a search phrase like "fine daggers." They enter, then, on the "Daggers"
page. They immediately want to know what a dagger costs. There is no price scale
anywhere on the site, because there are over 65 factors that determine the final
price of a custom dagger or knife. They get frustrated, because they "just
want to know how much a dagger costs!" Ah, if it were that simple. If I only
had six designs, six prices, six available models, then life would be easy...
Because I'm a true custom maker, making exactly what
a client wants, there are as many arrangements, feature sets, and types of
knives as there are clients. The truth is, in all the knives I've made (about
two thousand so far) I've only made a handful of knives that have the same
blades, finish, fittings, and handle material in my nearly thirty years in this
business. And while I may make them similar, they are never exactly alike,
because I vary the filework or engraving. So, any client of mine is assured a
one-of-a-kind original, never repeated again. So, there is no chart, no specific
price that you can get if you just say "I want a dagger." You might be surprised
at how many such inquiries I get like that.
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I am just starting out in
knifemaking, and I would just like to say thanks for the
inspiration. Every knifemaker should visit your site to see what
real craftsmanship and damn good knives look like.
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I've adjusted the site to open separate windows when
most of the page links and picture links are selected. I did this for several
reasons. It makes it easier to have more than one window open if you're
comparing knives by pictures or patterns. That way, you can size the windows and
actually look at them side by side. When clicking on reference links, you
don't lose your place on the page where you clicked the link, because a new
window opens and allows you to read or view the reference, then closing the
window brings you right back to where you were. You're also less likely to
accidentally leave the site by closing a window. It is my desire to keep you
here as long as possible!
Testimonial
Hello Jay:
I just wanted to let you know that I
think your website is great. Very, very informative and you have a
way to cut through the B.S. and tell it like it is!
Best wishes:
Dan W.
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The interesting thing about this site IS the
variety. That is why I settled on knife making and art, because I get to work
with a variety of materials, shapes, processes, and designs. You get to see a
lot of them here. Please do take your time, bookmark this site as a favorite,
and come back often. There is no hurry to acquire your custom knife, I want you
to take your time, think about your investment, learn about this world of fine
custom knife making. Then, when you're ready, we'll nail down the specifics of
your project, and you'll have a valuable investment in a one of a kind work of
art that fits you perfectly.
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Testimonial
Howdy Jay,
I wanted to drop you a quick line for
several reasons. First and foremost, your
website is by far one of the finest custom knife sites
I've been to. Unlike every other website out there now, yours
actually has a warm organic tone to it. Not
only is it full of great art, info, and
patterns, I (a horrifically computer illiterate newbie) can
easily find my way around the whole site.
--J.
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Occasionally, I get letters (emails) of
inquiry where the writer has offered up some sage internet advice. I do consider
each and every comment and request, but some are humorous. People who've learned
how to insert personally designed graphics into each email are sometimes so
proud of their savvy and internet achievements, that they want to offer their
critiques of my site. Most people realize that in email, short, quick,
to-the-point text is king, and the rest is just fluff. Here's an example with my
response:
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[Here's an email I received. "Signature" graphic included with this email
submission, a face with some background and some post modern text, all in rather
ugly shade of brown. Probably something created in a community college graphics
design class. Email is as spelled.]
Jay,
I was just wondering what it
would cost for a dagger and a stand for it that was completely custom? I don't
know much about daggers, but am looking at getting one for symbolic purposes. If
I presented an artisit design, could you do it? Is your skill level able to pull
off something from paper?
Great website and
very informative. I would consider a resign though for display. The
average person wouldn't have strained so much to find what they are
looking for on the site. The content is good.
--S.C.
[my response]
Hello,
S. Thanks for writing.
The price of an art
dagger completely depends on the components of the dagger. Also,
the finish must be considered, and embellishment, tooling,
stand, case, or sheath. There are a lot of options when one
chooses a complete custom knife. You can read about these
individually on my
Custom knife Quote and order page here. I can and do work
with clients’ designs, but because this entails a lot of
drawing, tuning, consideration for geometry, steel types, and
general design work, it still requires the design deposit. You
can
read about the details of the design fee here.
Thank you for your
comments about my site. The site is complex; it’s a very complex
field of artistry that I’m in. I’m not worried about the
“average person” finding their way through my site, my site is
geared toward knife aficionados and professionals, and they are
very happy with the content and layout. Ah, if this field were
only simple enough to have a simple site, with a couple
pictures, and about three prices for knives… (smile)
May I be so bold as
to offer you some advice, in kind? When you include your graphic
with your email, nearly every firewall and modern email program
stops your email cold, because of the possibility of the graphic
containing malicious code. I had to retrieve your email from
beyond my firewall. I almost deleted it… just a head’s up.
Thanks for your
interest, and I’d love to see your design.
--Jay Fisher
[ I must have upset them, because I never heard
from them again! Oh, well...]
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The
Internet and bad information
Just like any modern source, you have to have a strong B.S. filter when you browse the net. There is a huge amount of useless
information, misleading data and commentary, and outright lies behind the facade
of an internet presence. Not only are large and meaty web sites coated with the
stuff, even the small players are getting in on the act. Now, with video sites, the fluff is exploding into a hopeless mess. People are even
throwing out "instructional" videos like chum to sharks, hoping to catch an eye
for their drivel, scented with bad information, lousy techniques and bad
process. They're hoping to ultimately cash in on the information exchange, but
never will. If it were all only about information, this business would be rife
with process and knife construction techniques, data, and clarity. But it is
not. There IS a bad way to make a knife, a sheath, and accessories, and a
simple comparison of what a professional makes with the products of novices and
factories will yield plenty of particulars to detail the divide. It's not just
information, it's technique, skill, and the eye of an artist, which is becoming
a rare commodity indeed.
Read more humorous
clips, emails, and funny stories on a special page here
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Testimonial:
Jay,
As of yet no premonition has revealed the mystical powers bestowed
to her but Wayland himself must have placed his hands upon your
shoulders as he smiled with delight. Beautiful she is and trusted
companion she'll become one truly for the ages. From the first and I
hope not the last email to you your customer service and
attentiveness has been nothing less than first class, something
retail and Big Box stores no longer offer. Another reason too buy a
Jay Fisher knife!
Thank you for accepting the commission of my first custom knife, I
now know I made the right choice.
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Testimonial:
Mr. Fisher,
I am an amateur blacksmith
and engineering student hoping to break into knife making. Your website has
provided me with more truly useful information than
not only any other source, but ALL other sources that I have researched. I just
wanted to say thank you; thank you for taking the time to get to the real point
and cutting out the fluff. Thank you for putting your reputation on the line in
a world where the vast majority of people don't take responsibility for their
actions. Thank you.
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Professional knife making training and certification
There is no easy answer for those who wish to
learn knife making, as there is no recognized organizational reference for
knifemakers, no official license requirement for making knives. There is also no
complete and thorough text of information to detail all the facets of this
skill. Read every book you can find on the subject, apprentice under someone if
you desire, and start making. Feel free to read the information on this site,
though, as you will surely become more knowledgeable about custom knives from
this site than any other single knife maker's site on the internet!
There is no such thing as a certified knife
maker. Some organizations have made attempts to endorse or proclaim a knife
maker's status in their organization, but no official entity exists for custom
knife makers to certify or guarantee that they are qualified to make knives
professionally. With the growth of government entities and regulations in our
litigious society, I imagine that someday, this will come. Knife makers will be
certified, regulated, and watched over by the same entities that do the same for
the firearms or perhaps tool industry. At that point, knife making may be much
harder to get into as an established maker.
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Testimonial
I've seen your website and it is
amazing. I've used a knife for the whole of my working life. To me
they are a tool, like a wrench or a screwdriver. It's difficult to
get good ones designed for what you need.
They mostly let you down. I work
with rope and must have a sharp knife. I also need a marlin spike to
splice. I must carry both a sharp knife and a
marlin to do the job. Marlins are hard to come by these days
but a decent knife is almost impossible now.
I was looking for a quality knife
then I saw your website. I want to say that in a world where I
thought that nobody cared about quality or craft anymore, you've
proved me wrong. Thanks for doing so.
Yours Sincerely,
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Internet
Knife Sales
Where is this all going? What is the
history, and why does it matter?
There used to be only a couple of ways
to buy a fine custom knife. You could buy a knife magazine like "Blade," "Knives
Illustrated," "The Knives Annual" (Knives 2004, 2005, 2006, etc.), "Tactical Knives," or others,
and thumb through the articles and ads to look for something interesting. You
could go to a local knife and gun show to see what you might find locally. You
could travel to a big city knife show. You could postal mail a request for a
list from a knife maker's organization, then call or write the individual
makers. You could call every maker you could find and ask him if he would make
your knife. With travel expenses, snail mail, far too few pictures, and the
limited choices in print, buying the very knife you're interested in was tough!
Everything has changed.
Internet technology is the
present and future media of custom
knife sales. It’s almost instantaneous, almost free, and a tremendous way to interact
with custom sales and products. Companies (or individual craftsmen) who do not
utilize this medium will be left in the dust. Knife shows are on the
decline, dealers are turning to the web, and clients would rather spend their
time in a comfortable chair browsing a good website than traveling to an
expensive show. When you want to buy something like laundry soap or socks,
nothing beats a local store. But when you want a custom piece of investment art,
fine utility, or a combat weapon, and you want it just the way you like it, the
internet is the only way to go.
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Testimonial
Hi Jay,
Thanks for the CD. Over the last
three days I've spent about eight-nine hours reading your
website. I've thoroughly enjoyed the technical content, your wry
sense of humor, and your artistic talent.
R.W.
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For example,
before the net, if I wanted a unique bearing set
for a machine or power tool, I had to locate the manufacturer (either by subscribing to a
register visiting a local dealer or
write letters and make phone calls), detail the part (several conversations),
send the money and wait, and hope it's the right part. Nowadays, I just punch in the info on a search engine,
find several suppliers of my part, confirm it’s the right one (usually a
photograph does that), and purchase it online. If I'm not
sure of the supplier, I use a credit card, which allows me a good deal of
protection from scams, as a charge can be reversed. It’s incredibly easy.
There will be a time
in the near future when all unique businesses like mine can only be located on
the net. There will be a generation (probably my grandchildren’s) which will
have the internet as their first contact and information tool. In the old days,
if you were selling widgets, you had to go door to door, business to business,
and give just enough information to close the sale. Then, you had to return
for the next sales pitch.
Nowadays, the web requires all the information
you can provide, the clients seek out the
seller, and the seller has time to work on his business and be more productive.
It is truly an amazing thing!
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Testimonial
Hi Jay, no answer expected, just
wanted to say what a great knifemaking site you have. I make knives
for fun, and am a competent amateur. It's nice to see how far a
single individual can go in mastering all of the diverse disciplines
of fine custom knifemaking, and I wanted to tell you so. Thanks for
the work you spent in making your website.
-- Jim Frank,CBRE,
Chief Engineer, Cherry Creek Radio, Montrose
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The other amazing part of this
experience is that information is the key to success. In the old days (before
the internet), clients stumbled along, knowing just enough to make their
purchases, listening and looking for recognized names and popular brands, and
took their place in line to receive the product. Now, they want as much
information as possible to educate themselves on the product and purchase, to
see testimonials from professionals using and buying the product. As time goes
on, the hyperbole on the web will be identified, weeded out, or easily ignored, as this is a truly
educational medium. More knowledge about the product will allow them insight
into unwarranted claims and hype, to help them make an educated purchase.
I've always said that 50 percent of this
business is education, and the internet allows that at a free cost to the
consumer, client, user, or collector, and in this tradecraft there should be no
secrets.
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Dear Mr. Fisher,
I have perused your
website several times and I see and read something new every time.
That's not hard for me as I'm a pre-newbie bladesmith wanna-be. I am
amazed at the breadth and quality of your bladesmithing skills, this is
an inspiration to me. I am researching the skills, the tools, the
business, the education, and the attitude necessary to become a
bladesmith. I was referred to your site by the forum posting of your
Gemini Twin folders, and those Jay, are simply breathtaking. One of the
skills that I will learn is mirror polishing a blade; what you wrote in
regards to that makes sense. For so many reasons, that facet of
bladesmithing is crucial to finishing a blade. I know that others have
also applauded your methods and skill, and so I am another fan of yours
in a long line of admirers.
Sincerely,
T. D.
[my response]
Hello, T. Thanks for
taking the time to write your thoughts. The
neat thing about the internet is that it IS available for a person to
educate himself on just about any subject. I think that competition is
great, with the net, it forces us to look at other’s work for
comparisons, something that just wasn’t available before the mid-1990s.
So, overall, it should improve the level of workmanship in the
tradecraft and art.
You are right about
blade finishing, or finishing all materials and surfaces on the knife,
for that matter. This is, sadly, a neglected area of many knife makers
and all factories or production knives. I think it’s because it takes a
lot of time and effort and attention to detail to properly finish any
hard material. There is an old saying in the lapidary arts that “the
finish is made in the sanding.” Sanding with successively finer and
finer grits is sometimes a boring, tedious task, and many craftsmen are
too rushed and impatient to take the time to properly finish any
material. So, they sand along the blade length, or use a sanding flapper
wheel to finish, or spend way too much time on the buffer and round over
their grind lines. No matter the skills at the anvil, the customer,
client, or knife aficionado will notice the finish first and foremost.
Interestingly, I think the use of damascus (pattern welded) steels
actually allow poor finishing practices. Since the blade is etched
anyway, poor finishing is not noticed in the etched and patterned
surface.
Thanks
for your interest and support,
Jay
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Design Patents, Manufacturers, and Artistic
Handmade Knives
This is a clip from one of my email
conversations about patenting my designs, processes, and applications in fine
handmade custom gemstone handled knives with embellishment, etching, carving,
and unique shapes, sizes, finishes and execution. Many collectors are concerned
about processes moving into the mass production markets (usually foreign) and
the impact on their collections and value.
About the patents. I talked at great
length to a design patent attorney in Chicago;
he was quite knowledgeable about
the whole process and affair. In knives, there are recent attempts (mainly by
the Chinese) to patent designs and prevent others from making a specific design,
that way they can corner the market and force buyers to buy from them. It is a
typical lame attempt to gain some sort of business advantage and it is only
applied to mass-marketed knives and tools. The last one was an attempt to patent
a simple handle shape that was on a razor blade utility knife that has a
replaceable blade and folds into the handle. I steered him to a resource of
hundreds of the exact same handle shape that had been used for at least a
century by many makers and manufacturers.
So, in order to patent a specific
design feature, I must be able to prove and then defend
the premise that the design
or feature hadn’t been
used before in the past, and that these features that I apply are truly unique. The
truth is, even the ancient Persians made gemstone-handled knives. So that’s not
supportable. Also, the design shapes are similar in many features to
thousands of other knives that have been made over the centuries. Sure, you
might see a blade design or curve that isn’t exactly like another already made,
or the new combination of handle and blade design, but if it is researched,
you’ll probably find somewhere, at some time in history, a similar knife has
been made. It would take a tremendous amount of time and research to identify a
non-existent shape (and proving a negative is a fruitless effort, anyway).
Other people have suggested patenting
filework, or sheath design, or color and materials arrangements. When I look at
the totality of my work and the reasons for patenting, one thing seems clear. I
would have to be concerned that someone else (or some company) would steal my
idea and execute it in the same way, thus draining away the business that I
would have had, and causing me financial injury. There are several reasons this
won’t happen.
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What I do is hard, period. It’s extremely
difficult to grind, shape, and work with stone. No automated equipment can
accomplish it; it takes a finely tuned pair of hands. Not a threat from
third world sweatshops either. They might make plastic handled knives that
resemble stone, but those are already out there and well known as junk.
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Designs are all over. Any book on swords,
edged weapons, or knife history can illustrate a bewildering number of
designs, all used, all common, all patent free and available for anyone to
execute. And for them to try to patent the same, it’s hopeless, because
there are so many good photographic records of these designs already having
been produced (i.e., the folding razor utility knife case above)
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Filework, engraving, and embellishment are a
highly skilled process, and cannot be duplicated by machines, period.
Neither can they be imitated by unskilled labor; the amateurish execution is
instantly obvious. No one who can recognize quality will ever be fooled. The
eye is discriminating in fine detail, and geometric details (like filework)
will scream out the slightest error in spacing and registration. And a
slight error and miniscule deviations are desired if the piece is to be
recognized as handmade, so machine cuts
that are square, perfectly uniform, and
obviously without a soul are recognized also.
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Mechanisms, folding, locking arrangements and
devices I use are already patent free. If I do come up with something novel
and easily imitated, I’ll pursue the patent option.
You might well ask what then, makes
my work different, original and unique. There really haven’t been any new
advances in knife making over the last century but three.
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Abrasives: in the 1920s, the diamond was
synthesized. In the following years, silicon carbide, aluminum oxide,
and other abrasives moved into the mass production markets. Abrasive
belts were refined; then came structured abrasives (the way the abrasive
is formed onto the belt, pad, or paper. Modern abrasives allow
knifemakers to work faster than the craftsmen of old. There is no
shortening of the finish process, though, because all steps between
roughing and polish must still be done. Yes, there are mass finishing
tools, like vibratory tumblers, and I even know of a couple makers who
admit using them. But they give a beaten, rounded, worn-over looking
finish. Modern abrasives have allowed us to tackle more complicated
finishing jobs, allowing us to blend more different materials, and
finish them in a more efficient and cost-effective time frame. I have to
admit, though, some jobs require finishing with a hardwood block charged
with abrasives, the same as was done over two thousand years ago…
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Adhesives: Modern adhesives (epoxies,
cyanoacrylates, pressure sealers, phenolics,
acrylics, and polymers) allow us a more rigid,
permanent method of attachment, particularly with dissimilar materials.
They also allow construction of jigs, tools, and devices to improve our
art and craftsmanship.
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The computer. The microcomputer has
allowed us this immense medium, digital photography, computer assisted
and computer aided design and machine operations. Without it, I’d be
working with hand drawings and snail mail, and going to a lot of tedious
shows instead of making beautiful knives. I’m immensely grateful for this
tool!
Now the most important,
non-patentable tool: me! A long time ago, while working as a
maintenance electrician in industry, I was
worried that other electricians were following me around, learning from me,
getting paid a journeyman’s wages (or more) while doing apprentice grade work. I
told my father about this practice, and how I felt after earning my wages while
others just clung like lampreys and sucked away ideas and answers from me,
claiming them to be their own. He said the one thing they could never steal is
my way of thinking. So that’s still it. My way of thinking puts things together
through my practiced hands. And that is my own, an cannot be duplicated, stolen,
or drained away by the vampires of commerce and industry. If they knew a way,
they would have already drained artists, offered fine art and craftsmanship to
the masses for a lower cost, and fine art would be cheap, and common, and
everywhere. It is not, and will never be. In fact, it’s more rare, harder to
find, and increasing in value every year. The more technology and world commerce
floods the market with mediocre products, the more valuable real art becomes.
Add to this the outlook that an artist’s life is limited, and the commodity is
even more precious.
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Hi,
I would like to thank you for
all the info on your site, its a good one and you knives are a work
of art.
Thanks
again, T.
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Unique one-of-a-kind knife designs and creations
Occasionally, I get an email or comment
about the unique style and creation of a knife. Usually this is a person who has
one of my custom knives, and he remembers that I've told him that his piece is
"one-of-a-kind." He can be downright distraught to find out that the pattern has
been recreated in another knife. I'm including this section to clear up any
misunderstanding.
When I design or work with a customer's
input to design a knife style, that style is reflected in a pattern. You can see
all my patterns (over 340) on the
patterns
page here. That pattern is simply a guide to the layout of the knife, and I
often am asked to mix patterns, that is, match the blade from one with a handle
from another. This may be bold enough of a change to dictate creating a wholly
new pattern, or it may just be a "hybrid" knife. No pattern in my inventory of
patterns is exempt from use on any project! There will, however, be differences
in the final knives, making nearly every knife unique and one-of-a-kind.
I rarely, if ever use the same handle
material on two knives of the same pattern style. If I do, I usually change the
filework, the finish, the embellishment, the bolster materials, or the sheath.
If a knife is marked with a specific name, commemoration, or design, that also
makes it unique. And there are subtle differences that accompany each handmade
knife adding to that unique property. The only knives that resemble each other
closely are the basic tactical models that are bead-blasted, with bead-blasted
micarta handles. These are all very similar in construction and execution.
One could also argue that even within the same gemstone rock, there are such
differences in appearance that no two pieces are matched, and that makes each
gemstone handle unique.
Once, I had a client protest because he
bought a knife, and then saw on my site that I had listed a picture of the knife
style with the text "taking orders." He claimed that his knife was supposed to
be one-of-a-kind, and that I wasn't supposed to make that knife ever again! I
told him that I would never put the type of handle material used on his knife on
another of the same style, or finish it in the same way, so his knife was
unique. I've got so many materials to choose from, why would I? I guess he
thought that I would never design the blade shape and handle profile ever again.
How ridiculous is that?
Here's the thing: if the knife style is
a popular one, I will get more requests for the knife. This is nearly always
followed by requests for a change in handle material, embellishment, or sheath
construction. If it's a popular shape, I will create it again. It is my business
to create what clients want, and since a lot of effort goes into the knife
design, it's only fair not to deny that expertise to other clients. Also, if a
client works up a design, I let him know up front that if I make the knife, I'll
add his design to the pattern inventory. This is my way of honoring his (and my)
effort, and improving my capabilities. If he doesn't like it, he can make his
own knife!
Even if I made a group of knives all the
same, this doesn't affect the value of a client's investment. All my knives have
appreciated over time, and will continue to do so no matter what happens to me,
my career, or my work. I've created enough pieces, put out enough artwork that
my reputation is well established. The hard part for me to realize is that the
value of a client's investment will continue to increase, long after I (and he)
have turned to dust... as the knives will still be around.
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Client's designs and exclusivity
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From my
FAQ page:
If I submit a
design, will you make my knife?
Perhaps I will, but maybe I will
not or can not make your knife. I'm limited by the amount of knives
I make, and I reserve the right to refuse to make a particular
knife. There may be many reasons for this. If my order list is long,
I may not be able to accommodate your needs in a timely fashion.
The knife design may be unworkable, or not in my design style. Not
every maker makes the same type of knife, and though I make a lot of
types, I do not make them all. The materials requested may not
be available. The budget for the knife may be unworkable. A specific
request for materials used, geometry, mechanical fittings, or finish
may not be something I would recommend, so I wouldn't make a knife
in that fashion. No worry though, you are on the internet, and there
are many other fine knife makers who may accept your commission.
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Now and then, I get an
inquiry about a client's own design. He usually states that he has worked long
and hard on his design, maybe he even has a host of designs (I even met a guy
that had a book with hundreds of pages of knife drawings), and he wants
one or two of them made. Usually, these guys are very protective of their work,
sometimes copyrighting it, but always convinced of the high value of their knife
drawings. They're certain that the shape, contours, or features of their design
are worth a great deal of money, and they don't want the designs to fall into
the wrong hands, where their hard labor and investment of time is "stolen" by a
factory or self-serving knifemaker. They want me to make their dream come to
reality, never to be seen again.
Usually, they have not
considered the labor, skill, and machine techniques that must go into their
idea. The value of a fine custom knife is not in the drawing or design, it's in
the execution. Sadly, their designs, though lovingly created, are not worth
much. So they hop around from knife maker to knife maker, searching for one who
will keep their secret and make their knife for cheap.
I usually steer clear of
these types. They are sad to learn that their drawings are usually not unique;
in the millions of years man has been making knives, nearly everything has been
considered at one time or another. They also are distraught when the find that
true design copyright is a long, expensive process, and even it a design patent
is granted, they must have plenty of money to defend it in court, proving
their ownership of the design, proving that it has never before been designed in the
history of man, and proving damages to themselves by the defendant. This is no
small court matter, and unless the design revolutionizes the knife world, not
much damage can be proven.
If a knife is truly a great
design, why not honor that, name the design for the designer, and share it with
the world where it can be appreciated? This is not the case with most of these
guys, they think they will somehow get rich off their drawings. I know of no one
in human history, that has gotten rich from knife drawings. If the person is
exceptional at drawing, perhaps he should become a fine artist. That will get
him rich, if he's very good!
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[Here's an email
from another maker seeking clarification on design copyrights:]
Jay,
I admire your knife designs, but you mention that they are
copyrighted. Just to understand so as not to impinge on your
creativity and hard work,
respectfully, what is covered by the copyright? To further
clarify my question, on your home page you have a picture of a
tanto with a white handle and front and rear curved guards.
The tanto blade design itself is ancient, but the handle design
is all yours (and gorgeous at that!). Is the whole knife design
copyrighted, or is it primarily the handle shape, guards shape,
inlays design that is copyrighted?
How then can you copyright a blade shape?
You have a lot of designs. To try and design my own is
bound to touch on some of them. Any recommendation?
[my response]
Hi, Phil. Thanks for writing, and
thanks for your interest and respect of copyrighted work.
Currently, copyrights for modern
artists exist from the instance of their creation. What that
means is that designs created by independent artists are
protected legally from copyright infringement by U.S. legal
statutes from theft and use by other
companies or individuals claims or profit for 50 years from the
creation.
In knives, this is a tenuous area.
You are correct; countless styles and types of knives have been
created throughout history, so any modern knife designer is
likely to repeat similar patterns, styles, and shapes. But in
knives, the slightest variation of pattern shape creates a
markedly different appearance; as much as .030” will create a
significant and obviously different knife.
Copyright knife designs submitted
for public governmental registration include the exact design
and the name. If, for instance, a knife manufacturer wanted to
copy my “Raptor” Kerambit, he could not call it a “Raptor,” and
could not copy the design exactly. He could, however, simply
vary the shape a bit and come up with a new design. This is done
all the time in the knife business, and I see new designs out by
manufacturers all the time that are stunningly similar to some
of mine, and one can’t help but wonder if they “borrowed” the
design, changed it a bit, and called it their own. I have no
problem with that, in fact, it's a bit
flattering.
Another maker, company, or
hobbyist can simply ask for my permission to create his own
knife based on one of my patterns. I routinely grant these
permissions, and all I ask is that credit is given for the
design. If, for instance, you would like to make a knife using
my “Argyre” pattern, I only ask that you say or write that the
knife is from “Jay Fisher’s
Argyre” pattern.
The knife design copyrights are
separate from the web site copyright. Everything on the website
is copyrighted, and any wholesale copying, cutting, and pasting
of the web site content used without my specific
written permission is a
direct infringement of copyright, and is strictly prohibited and
easily prosecutable. This rarely happens on the internet,
thankfully, because it’s so easy to prove, date, and confirm
the violation.
Phil, if you would like to use any
of my patterns, feel free to, just give credit where credit is
due with my pattern name and my name. I work very hard on the
designs, many of them also have the input and work of my
clients, and it’s only fair that these efforts are recognized.
You can read more about my design fees, and get an idea just
what it takes to design a good knife on this
dedicated page here.
Thanks again,
Jay
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Copyrights, Knife
Designs, and Other Knifemakers
One day, I
noticed a lot of traffic coming to my site via a forum (or bulletin
board), indicated on my web site analysis program. I followed the
URL back and discovered that someone had asked for a source to trace
knife patterns that he could use to make his own knives. Another
member recommended my site, in particular my patterns page, which
had over 340 knife patterns posted on it. To his credit, he did
mention that there would be copyright issues.
I posted a
short, clear request stating that it would be polite if he asked first if he
could use my patterns, as they are copyrighted, and I got back a
flurry of responses, angry comments, and rude advice. How dare I
enter "their" forum and for the first time attack a member! A member
had recommended the theft of patterns and violation of my copyrights
to another member, and I was the bad guy for saying anything!
When a design
or pattern is created and copyrighted, it is protected by national
and international law, pure and simple. If you choose to violate the
law, you are a law breaker and a criminal, pure and simple. No
amount of justification, verbiage, attack, or commentary will change
the fact that if you have taken someone else's work without their
permission, you have broken the law and are a criminal. Yet this
doesn't seem to stop many knife makers who are stumped for ideas.
I made the
recommendation that the maker take an idea that he sees in a design
and create his own design, something of his own he can be proud of.
For those makers who can not come up with a viable knife design, I
also stated that I routinely grant permission to other makers to use
my designs, and only ask that they credit my site and my clients,
who have put a lot of their own effort into those very designs. It is a
matter of honor and dignity and respect to those clients
(soldiers, military, law enforcement, professionals) that have put
their ideas into the designs. When a pattern is taken without
permission, it disrespects a whole group of people, not just the
maker.
What these
people didn't realize is that on the information-based, word-driven, search
engine-dominated Internet, if they used my name they would get many
times the traffic and interest, because my name and web site is so well established
and recognized on the Internet. At the time of this issue, I was getting
well over a million hits a month. They would actually benefit greatly from
asking my permission, using my name as a source, and using my name
of the knife that they wish to create. But because the guys that violate
copyrights know deep inside that what they are doing is wrong, they
will skirt permission, slink into the site, cut, copy, and paste the
patterns, and hope no one knows the difference. And all they have to
do is ask permission! I'm a friendly guy, and might even post a link
to their efforts, granting them more traffic and exposure.
Another idiot went on to
state that I should be honored that anyone would want to use my patterns. What a
fool. Ask any artist, writer, craftsman, or creative person if they feel honored
when their designs or creations are stolen. I wonder how he would feel if others
had unrestrained access to his work and routinely stole it to "honor" him. The truth is,
people who make these claims have never and probably will never create anything
of value that anyone wants, much less make a thriving business on their own.
In my upcoming
book, I talk more about this and other problems in this profession.
My only hope is that by discussion and exposure in this very medium
of digital information, it becomes clear that solid, law abiding,
respectful practices will benefit our profession, and we will
achieve greater respect and success as businessmen and artists.
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Knife Pricing and Justification
Once in a
while, I get questioned on my knife prices and pricing structure. An interested
person thinks his quote is high, and wonders why he would have to
pay what I charge for his knife. I try to answer most reasonable
questions clearly; perhaps he desires engraving or a complicated
custom filework that takes many hours to complete. Maybe the handle
material is rare and expensive, or the sheath work is time consuming
and the materials exotic and hard to acquire. If his question is
valid, I'm obligated as a business professional to answer his
inquiry logically. Sometimes, this is not enough for him, and the urge to
justify what I charge seeps into the conversation.
Justification is
explaining every detail of the cost of a knife. When you justify, it
degrades each creation or work of art into a list of costs and returns, a
line by line breakdown of knife making steps, costs of materials, utilities,
time spent on each process, and the costs of each expendable. It demeans the
whole process into a work order; the making of a piece of fine craftsmanship
becomes an accounting of regimented steps. It is a glorious waste of
precious time.
Sometimes, a client
will ask this because he's seen my
"My Knife Prices"
page and thinks that the knife he's described should be at the bottom of my
pricing structure. He's gone with a bead blasted finish and a micarta handle
with a plain sheath, so shouldn't that be the cheapest knife Jay makes?
What he may not have accounted for is the size of the pattern chosen, the
materials used, or the difficulty of construction. My least expensive knives
are mainly skeletonized, that is, they do not have ANY handle or bolster
material, and only rudimentary milling. Everything that is done to the plain
bar of steel in knife construction adds to the cost. A person who tries to
make even a seemingly simple knife of good quality is shocked at how much
work is involved.
I wonder if he
would question one of the big knife manufacturers as to why they
charge what they do for a knife? Would he go to a hardware store and
ask them to justify why they set their prices where they do? Of
course not, so why would he ask me that? People often see an
individual artist and craftsman as a person, not a company. But this
is a business, I am a company, and needing to justify prices is a
slippery slope that is best avoided. Justification in any business
is a drain of resources and time, and a sign of uncertain value. No
one asks why an NBA player takes in millions every year, it's simply
understood that the product he delivers is paid the going rate. If
the rate is high, and he's still employed, that must be what the
market has set for him. The same is true for custom knives. My
prices are set, I have many orders and commitments, so the value
must be in line with the market, or I'd be out of business.
The price of a knife is
what it is. It's determined by features that go into the knife, the
materials the knife is made of, the difficulty of executing each feature,
the level of quality (intricacy and finish), embellishment and its
difficulty, and all of the previously mentioned attributes applied to the
accessories such as the sheath, case, or stand. The price is also set based
on the marketable value of the knife and the workmanship.
When an interested
person questions the price and insists on justification, it means that he
can't afford the knife, and he should probably rethink his knife purchase.
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Dogs don't bark at parked
cars
I happened to
get wind of a website where a guy had cut, copied, and pasted my
comments about the steels I use on his own site, and followed them
with his own abrasive and insulting opinions. He was careful to take
every comment out of the context of my original paragraphs. He
called it an "evaluation" and "review" of articles on my site.
I have no
articles on my site. I do not get paid for what I write here, all I
try to do is explain my way of thinking, my experience of making
fine, high quality custom and handmade knives for nearly three decades. I guess I must have some public "punch" with my
opinions and presence on the Internet, otherwise why would he have
felt the need to attack me? Perhaps he was only trying to draw
attention to his web site.
I took the time
to respond to him directly, offering that it would be nice if he
would have contacted me first if he had concerns about statements on
my site. It would give me a chance to correct them if needed. I also
mentioned legal issues. He was kind enough to respond and claim that
he would act professionally in the future. We shall see.
Copyright
Infringement (it's prosecutable)
This brings up
some huge legal issues about this digital medium that are currently
being studied, discussed among lawmakers, and flooding into the
justice system. There is, first, the legal issue of copyright and
intellectual property law. Every part of a web page,
all software, patents, books, photographs, trademarks, videos, and
even the fictional characters in stories are intellectual property.
And don't be fooled, copyright protection applies immediately upon
creation of the work, so don't look for a copyright statement (there
is one at the bottom of every page of this website). If you and your
business or personal pursuit is on the Internet and displays
copyrighted property belonging to someone else, and you have not
obtained their specific written permission to distribute or display
that work, you are liable for damages. Even if you just use a small
part of that work, just a few phrases or sentences from a page, the
copyright protection still holds true. One MUST obtain written
permission first. This is routinely done, and I've granted several
entities permission to use my words on their own web sites, so it's
not some unattainable goal.
How could this
guy have done his attack better? Well, for one thing, ideas,
opinions, and modes of operation or technique are not copyright
protected. He could take some serious lessons from this very web
site. If you've arrived at this page, you've probably noticed that I
do NOT list any specific company, other knifemaker, factory, or
entity directly anywhere on this site, particularly in the realm of
criticism. I do not directly quote any of them. Yes, I have plenty
of my own opinions, but I will never make a direct reference to an
entity or person. I'm very careful to paraphrase words in strings of
ideas, and never cut, copy, and paste from other sites or sources
without their written permission. By the way, please think about all
those testimonials that you've read on my site now.
Libel
(it's prosecutable)
Another,
perhaps more volatile and litigious concern, is the nature of those
direct criticisms. It's one thing to criticize a largely public
figure or celebrity, and quite another to libelously attack a small
businessman, one running a one-man show and deriving all his income
off contacts and business from his Internet web site (that's me). It
would be easy to prove damages done by those comments, because
(little known to the attacker) web site traffic, connections, IP
addresses, server locations and site ownership are all easily
traceable with modern web analysis software. It amazes me how many
people entirely overlook this fact. Lawsuit time. We
may complain about our litigious society, but when it starts to hurt
my business, I won't hesitate to protect my income, which supports
me and my family, my business, and my home. This is how it is done
in our society and judicial system.
What does this
have to do with dogs barking? There is an old proverb that states,
"Dogs don't bark at parked cars." On one hand, it means to me that
this guy was just a little dog yapping as I sped by, and it doesn't
mean that much. On the other hand, it means that me barking at him
is foolish, because he's just a parked car, going nowhere.
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From my
What I do and don't do page:
You might be
surprised to read some of the hate mail I get over this page.
Mostly, it's from aspiring knifemakers who insist on me helping them
make it in this business. Funny thing, they wouldn't ask another
professional like an electrician, surgeon, or web site developer to
give them some points, answer a few questions, or help them to sell
some of what they make, but they demand that of knife makers. I go
into this in my upcoming book in detail, but here's the boiled-down
version: Most people treat knife making as a hobby, not a
profession, so they think other knife makers are just like them. I
suggest they go to one of the big knife manufacturers and ask them
to answer their questions for a few hours... what? They wouldn't do
that? Then why do they attack me for not helping them out? Because
I'm a single individual, therefore must only be a hobbyist, like
them. But they are wrong. This is not a hobbyist's site, this is a
professional business.
In my upcoming
book, I detail this phenomenon and the reasons for it. It is one of
the troubling spots of this new information technology we call the
internet, and one of the costs of having an intensive, information
rich web site. Many people are new to this medium and don't know
just what a site is for. Though there are many types of site out
there, and they may ask their questions on a bulletin board or post,
why not circumvent that process and ask someone who is a
professional in their field? Would they be willing to pay for the
professional advice, like the advice of a doctor, and appraiser, or
a mechanic after he's evaluated an engine? Of course they would pay
them, but a knifemaker... no. After all, he's only a knife maker...
sigh.
I get specific
on this issue in my coming book. Stay tuned!
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Concealed Carry of
Knives: Issues and Concerns
You would be right in guessing that I receive a
lot of correspondence about making knives specifically designed for
concealed carry. Whether it's military or law enforcement, urban or
rural knife enthusiasts, everyone would like to have a little "edge"
on what they perceive is a potential threat in our modern world. In
most states, knives of a certain blade length can not be carried in
any concealed fashion. In other states (like mine) ANY knife that is
capable of cutting is illegal to carry concealed... period, unless
it's on one's private property, within your automobile (which is
also your private property), or in any official capacity (rather
vague designation). So in truth, New Mexico actually has some very
strict prohibitions on concealed knife carry! This is a bit
stunning, because we are a fairly rural state, with every rancher,
cowboy, and young man having at least a small pocket knife at
his hand., though many of these now are carried in belt pouches,
thus rendering them not concealed. Every state varies. I recommend
highly that you get a clear picture of your own state's laws and the
laws of any state you're travelling in by clicking on Bernard
Levine's FREE links to
state knife laws here.
Please remember that new laws are in the works at
all times. Knives fit into "concealed carry" permit laws for many
states, so knife carry can be considered under that area. Be sure
and check your own state's permit options and requirements, which
differ from standard state knife laws.
When looking over your state's knife laws, you
can also get an idea just what they might be used for, as laws are
refined during cases where specific knife carry laws may apply. In
our state, for instance, if you are convicted of carrying a
concealed knife (remember, in New Mexico, that is ANY blade capable
of injury), it is a petty misdemeanor. So, as you can imagine, this
law is only loosely enforced, and I think it's there more for the
capability of law enforcement to detain and help convict suspects of
violent crimes where the knife or blade plays a roll. Our state does
not routinely arrest and charge people with carrying a knife in
their pocket, though they could...and every state is different.
Common sense applies here. If, for instance, I wanted to carry a
knife with a six inch blade all over town, mounted right on my hip
in a sheath for all to see, that is perfectly legal. But in our
state, the same goes for firearms. Of course, you have prohibited
areas for firearm carry, like banks, bars, and schools, but no clear
definition exists for knives. In other words, I see no reason that a
person can't carry an 18" bowie knife on his belt sheath into a New
Mexico bank. I've seen guys carrying big knives in plain sight on
their hip into banks here, and no one even gives them a second
glance. Don't take my words as advice though; I'm not an attorney,
this is not legal advice, and even small localities may have more
stringent restrictions.
My point is
that appearance does matter. Everyone thinks that if you have a
pouched folding knife on your hip, you're a blue collar working guy,
and it's just a tool. If you have a 6" bladed sheath knife on your
belt, you're probably some outdoor enthusiast or hunter. But if you
happen to have a knife that is purposely concealed inside a belt
buckle, up your sleeve, at your back, or in your boot, you are a
criminal (at least in this state you are, assuming you're on public
property and you do not have a concealed carry permit).
For me to make knives and sheaths purposely
dedicated to concealed carry is a dicey issue. There is no law
against me making this kind of arrangement (though there is a
specific law prohibiting me from making switchblades, butterfly, and
automatic knives in our state). The question is: do I want to
purposefully design knives as defensive concealed weapons? What,
in the long term, does this do to our tradecraft to be known for
aiding in bending, if not breaking existing laws? Prosecutors may
point to knife makers and manufacturers as the source of guidance
and bearing on this issue. If a maker cranks out knives and sheaths
made purposefully to deceive, he casts an inerasable stain on his
business practices, i.e., to make a dollar at any opportunity, by
encouraging skating around laws.
In our state, a jury is left to determine the
specific "character" of a knife. What do juries know about knife
character? Nothing: that's what. The general public is
grossly uneducated about knives, if you're reading this that is
probably crystal clear to you. I do not want to be subpoenaed to
testify as to the character of a knife and sheath combination I
make.
Look, there are
many cheap imported knives that allow and encourage illegal
concealed carry. I look forward to the day when a beautiful edged
tool can be proudly carried at your side like a piece of fine
jewelry and dress, admired and respected. It pains me to think of
man's oldest and most cherished of tools hidden, concealed, and
secreted away because of possible offense, political correctness, or
perceived notions of nefarious activity.
Where and how
you carry a knife is ultimately up to you, not me. For a matter of
public record, I do not encourage concealed carry without a permit. There are a host
of other issues related to the mechanics of concealed carry of
knives and I talk about them in detail on my
sheaths page here.
To cover this
from a technical perspective, here's a paragraph from my knife
sheath page that details the mechanical issues:
I do not make sheaths to accommodate wear on the arms
or legs. The reason for this is that the knife must fit snugly in the
sheath, even with alternate means of retention, like straps or snap
flaps. When the knife is pulled out of the sheath, it is in the
direction of the limbs smallest diameter, which will pull the entire
fixture down the arm, or down the leg. In the arm it is particularly
troublesome, because the wrist is smaller than the girth of the arm at
the elbow, so the straps are trying to pull down the arm. It's the same
reason that socks won't stay up! You're trying to pull downhill yet have
the sheath stay in place. So the only way to counter this is with a long
strap that goes up the arm that the sheath is mounted on, over the
shoulder, and is retained around the neck. What a mess! It works good in
Hollywood, but in reality is an entirely different affair. Also, there
is a problem with knife sheaths mounted on the leg. In order to pull
against the taper of the leg, just like on the forearm, the knife
must be pulled up. That means that the area to pull the knife must
be as long as the sheath throat and full knife length added
together. No man can lift up his pants that high, he'd have to be
wearing shorts... so this is impractical. If the pull is downward on
the leg, he's pulling against geometry (again) or the knife may have
to have some type of complicated retention method to prevent falling
out... What a mess. Then, there
is the whole concealment issue. As a professional, I can't be known for
helping bend concealment laws. So, generally, I stay away from this type
of mounting, unless it's for law enforcement or federal agents. See the
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Comments and Complaints About this Website
I get them; every website with hefty traffic
does. The complainers. The guys trying to offer constructive
criticism. They're just trying to help, or they have a beef, or
they're just unhappy about the way a particular view, idea, or
concept is presented on this site. Sometimes, they're actually
disturbed by how I've constructed the site, what I've included, and
how it's structured in the markup. Even though before emailing me
they read that I only answer emails about serious knife inquiries,
they insist on giving me their two cents. Mostly, what I see from
them is that they have some preconceived notion about what they
think this site should say, what it should be about, and even how it
is presented. Since the reality is different than they think it
should be, they protest to me, perhaps thinking that I'll change it
to suit their philosophy or design ideas.
I also get
plenty of email with positive support and encouragement for what you
see posted on this site, and the positive comments outweigh the
negative by many, many times, so I know I'm doing something right.
I've even had positive comments from dealers who market the factory
knives that I've railed against on these pages. Other makers have
gleaned much information here, and I hope that I've inspired others
and caused them to think about their knives, their businesses, their
internet future.
With both types
of comments, I try to be pragmatic. If I get enough requests for a
change, and the change makes sense, I might consider it. Take,
for instance, my "Knife
Anatomy" page. I built this page because a lot of guys were
trying to identify parts on a modern custom knife, but had no clear
frameset to discuss those parts, areas, or components. Rather than
type a detailed description in every email, the potential knife
client can go to the knife anatomy page and identify the exact
component. From there, we can have a conversation about his knife
interest. Now, the page has taken on a life of its own, and is one
of the top hitters on my site, with plenty of outside links to it,
and new ones every week.
If you're
reading this, you have more than a passing interest in knives. To
you, I want to make this point crystal clear. This site is about my
knives. It's all about the knives. In my focus on writing,
photography, publication, presentation, web site development,
marketing, education, growth, and business, one thing must and does
take precedence over all the others ... the knives. I am here
because of pieces of steel sculpted into blades, wood and rock
carved into handles, and skins and plastics formed into sheaths. The
embellishment, the presentation, the promotion, the representations
are all about the knives I make. Thanks for being here! back to topics
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What is the Ratio of Online Knife Sales to Knife Show Sales?
This question
comes up more and more. Dealers, knife collectors, makers, and
enthusiasts are trying to figure out if the net is the place to
shop, if shows are the place to be, and if they have focused their
dollars in the right place. The truth is, no one knows what volume
of internet sales exists, who's buying how many knives, and how that
may compare with knife or craft show knife sales.
The show sales
would be a more reasonable venue from which to draw data. Most guys
know if a show is a good show; makers are pretty straightforward
about the show's success, and often share this data with other
makers and show promoters. If it's a successful show, the maker will
probably return, and that's another good indicator. But those are
only spot indicators, and are controlled by the venue, the
advertising, the local economy in the show area, the type of knives
brought to the show, the price ranges, and many other more minor
factors. For example, a simple problem with hotel room booking
requirements, or carrier-wide airline cancellations can make or
break a show for a maker or client. The cost of travel, the limited
time and availability of show merchandise, and the troublesome
process of carrying knives to and from the show will only worsen.
The Internet is
an altogether different medium. One can not claim to have any
serious data on overall knife sales, but it is generally agreed that
Internet knife sales have crushed show sales years ago. Specialty
items like custom handmade knives will continue to soar in sales
over the net, and shows will continue to decline. On the
Internet, a client can take his time, learn to get to know the maker
through the maker's website, see many more pictures of his work,
testimonials, and much more information on his maker than he can in
the short time they could meet at a knife show. Though many say this
"face time" is important, makers can encourage clients to stop by
their place of business when they travel (I do!), and the client can
get to know the maker in his studio, at his storefront (he does have
a professional business storefront, doesn't he?), and one on one. At
the studio, the client can handle each pattern he's seen on the
website, look over the various projects and materials, and get a
clear picture of how a professional knife maker works in his real
place of business. That will give him much more information than a
quick meet and greet at a distracting knife show.
The horizon is bleak for shows,
and
though I believe they will continue, they will never have the
grandeur of the late 1980s and early 1990s. More and more makers
(like me!) are realizing their time is better spent in the shop,
creating beautiful pieces, and maintaining a worthwhile website that
their clients can comfortably peruse in their own pace. The backlog
of orders is testimony to the success of an Internet-based custom
and handmade knife business.
Do you
absolutely need some face time? Nowadays, this is an option with
Skypes and Teleconferencing, and I do that too!
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Some thoughts on Knife Dealers
When a knife
dealer claims to know trends and directions of the vast field of
custom knives, he is only talking about of the types, styles, and
price range of knives that he has experience with. For instance, he
may not even know that there are hundreds of fine gemstone handled
knives that will never make it into the secondary market to be
resold, simply because the knife client or collector wishes to keep
his knives, and is not interested in reselling them. The dealer may
be completely unaware of this price range and type of fine knives,
as his clients and acquisitions may be limited to the interest of
his own clients, and their ability to buy. The most limiting factor
is that a dealer will never have access to knives that are bought
directly from the maker if the maker refuses to sell to dealers (I
do, and so do many other fine makers). If the knives are rarely
resold, the dealer may not even know they exist. So, if a knife
client purchases from a dealer, the client may not acquire the best
of knives from the dealer, because the best knives usually never
make it into a dealer's hands. Where to get the best of knives?
Directly from the maker, that's where.
As the internet
grows and continues to be a direct source of purchase, this
narrowing of knife dealer's access to high end knives will
accelerate. I believe that dealers will continue to thrive, selling
what I consider to be middle market knives, but more and more
specialty knives will be purchased directly from the maker.
You might ask
why a maker would sell to a dealer in the first place? There are
many reasons; a new maker might want to get established through a
dealer who has access to a large client base. The maker may not wish
to trouble himself with the ongoing effort of a website. The maker
may not be a "salesman" and is uncomfortable dealing with this
aspect of the knife business. There is nothing wrong with any of
these reasons and that is why dealers will continue to exist.
Most dealers
nowadays require a percentage of the sale price of a knife. So it is
generally expected that the maker should drop his price for the
dealer by that percentage, so the dealer can benefit from the price
difference, and sell the knife for what the maker ordinarily would.
Though this may be acceptable to some knife makers, I believe this
is unethical. How ethical is it to say that a dealer who has the
ability to buy multiple knives at one time should get a discount
over a soldier who puts his life on the line defending our
country every day? Take the occupation out of the equation. How
ethical is it to set prices differently for different clients for
the same knife? No matter how you try to justify it, it won't wash.
It is unethical to vary the price of a knife depending on who is
buying it.
I know this
goes on in the knife and art markets, but it's a dirty little secret
that no one mentions to the final client. How would you feel if you
found out that if you only purchased directly from the knife maker,
you would have saved 20 percent? And makers who would try to sell
you the knife at the same price as the dealer are saying to their
clients: "you don't buy enough knives from me, so you have to pay
more." What? Maybe this goes on across the nation in large volume
stores and with massive purchases and acquisitions between
companies, but knife making is a one-on-one personal purchase, and
this is not Wal-mart.
The ultimate
limitation of purchasing from a dealer is that the knife will NEVER
be custom. Custom knives are made to the client's requirements, and
eliminating that contact, conversation, and interaction between
clients, patrons, and the knife maker eliminates the possibility of
a true custom knife. So any time you see the word "custom" mentioned
in a conversation about a knife purchase from a dealer, it is in
error.
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